Pyrus

Nov 2 2014, 06:21 PM

I think Brutes are also a lot more agile and mobile than Quaritch would be here, though obviously they're not Olympic sprinters or anything.

Daemon_Rising

Nov 3 2014, 10:35 PM

It is a brutal cunning that the Brutes have, but the thing is that Chief only had trouble with Brutes on his first meeting with them. Same goes for when he first met the Hunters. Once he has met an enemy, he quickly learns how to kill them efficiently.

Besides, in this fight with Quaritch, All Chief needs to do to win is immobilize the AMP suit. Which is easy when you factor in that Chief is no less than 5 times faster in reaction speed, three times stronger in raw force out of the suit (which is further amplified by a factor of five while inside his suit), and can run faster than any recorded Olympic Athlete in history by far. Once he takes out the AMP suit actuators, the suit is nothing more than a giant immobile bunker that Chief can literally rip chunks off of at his leisure. At that point, I am pretty sure the only thing the good Colonel has to protect himself is a combat knife and maybe a side-arm, neither of which pose any sort of threat to Chief in his suit.

Daemon_Rising

Nov 3 2014, 11:33 PM

Even if he gets grabbed, it isn't neccessarily doom for Chief. He has shown the ability to upend a Scorpion Tank with little to no effort, whose weight is no lighter than 66 metric tons. Surely his physical strength inside a MJOLNIR suit is greater than the hydraulic and/or pneumatic pressure that the AMP arms can generate? It doesn't seem feasible to be otherwise seeing how lumbering the machine actually is. Weight is one factor but an inefficient mobility system is just as much a factor. I think the only way Quaritch has a chance is in getting a lucky blow with the knife, if only due to its massive size. But even then, he'd need a full vertical drop slash/stab for it to be effective on Chief's suit if we factor in the suit's physical durability and the energy shields it contains.

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John-117 is around 390 or so pounds out of the suit. SPARTAN II Augmentation Procedures enable the subject to lift 3 times their bodyweight unassisted. That puts John at being able to lift about 1,200 pounds above his head. Just a little bit beyond peak human levels, so that seems about right. Reflexes are enhanced by a factor of 300%, so the procedures triple John's reaction times.

The MJOLNIR suit further enhances the application of force and lifting strength by a factor of 2. So John in suit can now lift around 2,400 pounds under normal conditions. He is now a legitimate 1.2 tonner, although he can likely lift or strike with more force in combat scenarios. I'll put John at a generous 3 tonner under combat duress. John reflexes are enhanced by a factor of 5 in the suit. That puts him at 15x normal human reaction speed.

Daemon_Rising

Nov 4 2014, 12:41 AM

The AMP suits looks more like it was designed with industrial work in mind over actual military use. Generally speaking, industrial tech similar in scope to a military equivalent is generally a wee bit stronger but at the cost of speed and efficiency. If an AMP suit gets into a lockup with a MJOLNIR suit straight up, that AMP suit will probably be able to push the MJOLNIR suit down. However, the MJOLNIR suit is far more agile and can with the proper leverage neutralise what strength advantage the AMP suit has by directly assaulting the unprotected servos and actuator motors that decorate the limbs of the AMP suit. I simply don't see a MJOLNIR suit equipped Spartan being crushed by an AMP suit purely because those weakness are exploitable and that a Spartan is designed to strike at weak points on reflex.

Daemon_Rising

Nov 4 2014, 01:27 AM

We are definitely in agreement here. Does the AMP require joystick controls or does it tap into the user's nervous systems to keep gyros and parts moving in line with the pilots requirements? This could factor into the suit's reaction time if it has a more dynamic style of control. Not neccessarily enough to counter Chief's speed, but perhaps enough to tax it.

Daemon_Rising

Nov 4 2014, 01:37 AM

I guess then the question we have to ask is boiled down to one simple one:

Is there any aggressive action that Quaritch could take that would not immediately be countered by Chief due to Chief reacting far faster than Quaritch? And if there is, what are the fair chances of that action being the winning blow in this match-up?